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[atthisaddress]

The biggest problem with Palin and her palm notes is her hypocrisy - blasting Obama for a teleprompter for prepared speeches, while using schoolkid tactics for notes herself. I saw the tape of her cribbing from her hand and it was embarrassing.

One could even say that an adult resorting to notes written in the palm of their hand is 'retarded', eh?   

                                                   

[atthisaddress]

I enjoyed this image from Google...



Man o' man, some of the images from searching palin retard are not fit to post here - but they are hilarious!!

[Richmedia]

And exactly why do we need a high-speed train to run between Tampa and Orlando? I tried to come up with a reason, but couldn't come up with the first benefit, other than the actual building of it.

If we don't need it, why build it?

[Deurser]

Like Alaska's "bridge to nowhere"?

[atthisaddress]

And exactly why do we need a high-speed train to run between Tampa and Orlando? I tried to come up with a reason, but couldn't come up with the first benefit, other than the actual building of it.

If we don't need it, why build it?

My understanding is that it's for transportation. The Florida High Speed Rail Authority's long-term vision calls for a statewide high speed rail system to reduce traffic congestion and provide alternatives to the traveling public. The system would closely parallel existing highways and connect Florida communities, cities, airports and seaports throughout five major regions of the state.

[Richmedia]

Like Alaska's "bridge to nowhere"?

Exactly.

[Richmedia]

And exactly why do we need a high-speed train to run between Tampa and Orlando? I tried to come up with a reason, but couldn't come up with the first benefit, other than the actual building of it.

If we don't need it, why build it?

My understanding is that it's for transportation. The Florida High Speed Rail Authority's long-term vision calls for a statewide high speed rail system to reduce traffic congestion and provide alternatives to the traveling public. The system would closely parallel existing highways and connect Florida communities, cities, airports and seaports throughout five major regions of the state.

It's not needed, and nonsense to boot.

No no one commutes from Tampa to Orlando, or vice-versa. I-4 is crowded with commuters in-between Tampa and Orlando in both directions, and a high-speed train won't make any stops since that will make it no better than an "Inter-Urban" train from over 100 years ago. If it did make stops, it won't be high-speed anymore.

I'm very leery of any agency that has the term "Authority" in it's name. I'm pretty sure that is something new (The Florida High Speed Rail Authority) that Obama has introduced.

[Deurser]

Actually, from what I read there is a large work commuter population between Tampa and Orlando. Also Florida's rail authority was around first. Groups had been trying to get high speed rail there for about a decade now. More over, one of the main reasons that Florida was chosen was because they were more prepared, already having purchased the needed land for the project.

[lakelady]

And exactly why do we need a high-speed train to run between Tampa and Orlando? I tried to come up with a reason, but couldn't come up with the first benefit, other than the actual building of it.

If we don't need it, why build it?

My understanding is that it's for transportation. The Florida High Speed Rail Authority's long-term vision calls for a statewide high speed rail system to reduce traffic congestion and provide alternatives to the traveling public. The system would closely parallel existing highways and connect Florida communities, cities, airports and seaports throughout five major regions of the state.

It's not needed, and nonsense to boot.

No no one commutes from Tampa to Orlando, or vice-versa. I-4 is crowded with commuters in-between Tampa and Orlando in both directions, and a high-speed train won't make any stops since that will make it no better than an "Inter-Urban" train from over 100 years ago. If it did make stops, it won't be high-speed anymore.

I'm very leery of any agency that has the term "Authority" in it's name. I'm pretty sure that is something new (The Florida High Speed Rail Authority) that Obama has introduced.

you just contratdicted yourself Rich. First you say no one comutes between Tampa and Orlando and then you say the very highway that this will parallel is crowded with these very commuters.

And ever hear of the Port Authority of New York?

[atthisaddress]

...and a high-speed train won't make any stops since that will make it no better than an "Inter-Urban" train from over 100 years ago. If it did make stops, it won't be high-speed anymore.

Gee, I rode high speed trains in Japan this summer, and they made lots of stops. They were pretty darn fast, too.

[Richmedia]

And exactly why do we need a high-speed train to run between Tampa and Orlando? I tried to come up with a reason, but couldn't come up with the first benefit, other than the actual building of it.

If we don't need it, why build it?

My understanding is that it's for transportation. The Florida High Speed Rail Authority's long-term vision calls for a statewide high speed rail system to reduce traffic congestion and provide alternatives to the traveling public. The system would closely parallel existing highways and connect Florida communities, cities, airports and seaports throughout five major regions of the state.

It's not needed, and nonsense to boot.

No no one commutes from Tampa to Orlando, or vice-versa. I-4 is crowded with commuters in-between Tampa and Orlando in both directions, and a high-speed train won't make any stops since that will make it no better than an "Inter-Urban" train from over 100 years ago. If it did make stops, it won't be high-speed anymore.

I'm very leery of any agency that has the term "Authority" in it's name. I'm pretty sure that is something new (The Florida High Speed Rail Authority) that Obama has introduced.

you just contratdicted yourself Rich. First you say no one comutes between Tampa and Orlando and then you say the very highway that this will parallel is crowded with these very commuters.

And ever hear of the Port Authority of New York?

Umm, no, and yes. i used to do business in some respects with the Port Authority in fact.

My remarks about the commuters along the I-4 corridor is that many folks live somewhere in the middle and commute to either Orlando or Tampa/St Pete, but rarely both. It is very rare to see regular, every-day commutes beginning and ending at those points.

It is my understanding that the train is to be non-stop, which eliminates most of the commuter effect. I'd hate to see this become another failed AMTRAC experiment, endlessly subsidized by the tax-payers. If there is a true market for such a thing, the private sector should be allowed to develop it, and let it stand or fall on it's own merits.

I love PORK, and I know it when I smell it. I just had some nice St Louis style BBQ ribs yesterday in fact.

[Richmedia]

you just contratdicted yourself Rich. First you say no one comutes between Tampa and Orlando and then you say the very highway that this will parallel is crowded with these very commuters.

And ever hear of the Port Authority of New York?

Here's what I said:

no one commutes from Tampa to Orlando, or vice-versa.

I should have said "nearly" no one, but the point is that both markets primary commuting footprint is about 50 miles from either point. Almost no one commutes from either Orlando or Tampa to the other on a daily basis. They are both very different demographic markets, and Orlando is clearly an upstart. The money would be better spent by upgrading I-4, and while I'm on a rant, Federal Highway Fuel Tax monies should be spent solely on highways. The diversion of those funds which we all contribute to every time we fill up has led to highway congestion. The politicians would rather use our high-way funds for airports, subways and rail systems which seem to have a problem carrying their own weight.

[Deurser]

Well, like I said, when I read the local papers in Florida, especially the comments left by people living down there, it actually seems that there is a significant commuter population down there to benefit from this rail.  The one down side right now for those commuters is the likelihood that the ticket price will be too high for daily commuters to afford.

And if your bothered by highway congestion, wouldn't programs like this help alleviate that problem?

[GadgetDon]

...and a high-speed train won't make any stops since that will make it no better than an "Inter-Urban" train from over 100 years ago. If it did make stops, it won't be high-speed anymore.

Gee, I rode high speed trains in Japan this summer, and they made lots of stops. They were pretty darn fast, too.

Please mark this date.  This may be the first and last time I say thing.

AtThisAddress is absolutely correct (on this point).

It's been far longer since I was in Japan, but even so, the trains were fast, able to move a lot of people, even with regular stops.

Also, having travelled to the Bay area in California many times, BART is a great example of an effective and efficient form of Mass Transit.  Also with stops. No, BART isn't door-to-door service.  Many people drive from home to a local BART station, park, ride the BART downtown, then either walk or take a bus to their office.  Bigger companies have shuttle busses to and from the nearby BART station.

Does it work everywhere? Nope. Wouldn't be that useful in Iowa (where the commutes aren't nearly as long or as crowded or as centralized). But Florida seems like a place it could work.

[Reality]

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